Progress report: "Hector the Hero", bagpipe-version :-)

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    • #7975
      ulla_petersen
      Participant

      Like Roland White said in the “Song Requests for Hanneke Cassel?” forum thread, “Be sure and check back in on the forum and tell us how your progress is coming along”!

      Well, for a long time I have wanted to post something audible about my progress, but I kept hoping that somebody else would be the first, so that I could hear if my current level is acceptable for posting in this forum, but it seems that this is not going to happen and someone has to be the first, so here I come! I hope this will coax others to do likewise so that we can listen to and inspire each other and make this great fiddle learning web site even greater!

      One of the really good things in FiddleVideo.com is that you don’t just learn a tune; you also hear the artist talking about their considerations regarding how to interpret it. In the “Hector the Hero” videos, Hanneke Cassel talks about playing like a bagpipe: long strokes to simulate the continuous sound of the bagpipe, and raising the thirds to imitate the bagpipe scales, which are not equal tempered (it wouldn’t sound good with the bagpipe’s massive amount of overtones), but use a variations of “just intonation” that produces pure fourth and fifth step (you can read more about bagpipe tuning here: http://publish.uwo.ca/~emacphe3/pipes/acoustics/pipescale.html).

      I’m all for that! Actually, the reason why I became interested in Scottish folk music was because a friend of mine started to learn to play that most awesome instrument: the Great Highland Bagpipe, which is a terribly difficult, wild and unforgiving instrument, but also has the capacity for the sweetest sounds if tuned and played with precision. I often play together with him; he plays a practice chanter (i.e. no bag or drones), so I have some experience with imitating a bagpipe scale. My own carbonfibre viola has some of the same properties as a bagpipe: a loud voice with lots of overtones (it is really also a quite wild and unforgiving creature!) and the capacity for very sweet sounds if handled with care and precision, and it sounds really good together with the bagpipe, so I think it is appropriate for playing Scottish music 🙂

      As I play viola, not fiddle, I transpose the tune a fifth down to D. And going a step further than Hanneke Cassel, I use the mixolydian scale (major with a low 7th step) which is the scale of the great highland bagpipe, so I change the melody a bit and of course I have to change the chord in the accompagnement, too. I would have liked to have the “clarsach”, the Scottish wire-strung harp, accompany the tune, but the closest thing I could find in my Cubase Digital Audio Workstation was an acoustic steel guitar, whose sound I brightened a bit and added a little reverb. I tuned this “harp” after the bagpipe scale that I’m using, namely:

      Viola Deviations from Eq. Temp. in Cents
      D 0
      C 17.59
      B -15.64
      A 1.95 (a pure 5th from D)
      G -1.95 (a pure 4th from D)
      F# -13.68
      E 3.91
      D 0

      As you can see, the above scale uses rather low 3rd and 6th steps, which I try to use in the music.

      And about my recording:

      Imagine that you are a dinner guest in a Scottish castle! You are sitting in a great hall, whose stone walls are decorated with hunting trophies and the coat of arms of the clan-leader who is your host tonight. You and the other 100+ guests have had a wonderful meal and are in great spirits; the tables are now being cleared, and it is time for entertainment! A short, bagpipe-style improvised piece of music make the guests become quiet and then ….

      The Great Highland Viola performs “Hector the Hero”: https://soundcloud.com/ulla-peterse/hector-the-hero

      Hope you enjoy it 🙂

      Acknowledgement “freesound.org” audio samples:

      – 242604__edhutschek__theater-chatter.wav
      – 324898__adam-n__crowd-shock.wav
      – 334941__kubuzz__applause.wav
      – 163995__leandros-ntounis__crowd-in-a-bar-lcr.mp3

      • This topic was modified 8 years, 6 months ago by ulla_petersen.
    • #7983
      DianeG
      Participant

      OH MY GOSH!!!!!!! Fabulous Ulla….what a great tune played on the viola…you have throughly inspired ME….THANK YOU!!!!!

      After hearing this I went running for my viola. I play on a 15 inch old French one and just started lessons here in SoCal in October of 2015. I also play in a beginners string ensemble to further and help my progress. The tune, Hector the Hero, brought me to this website as I was at a Scottish workshop up in Seattle this past January with Alasdair Fraser and one of the folks there told me about H. Cassel and her playing and teaching this tune here…I believe Hanneke was a student of A. Fraser and a grew up learning Scottish music from him and the camps he put on…two of them in Northen California. Here is his website: http://www.alasdairfraser.com

      I loved your playing of this tune and now I too want to try it…as a beginner on the viola what scale are you using? D with flated 3rds and 6th? Thanks for posting your first piece…it is a great one. I loved the idea of the Great Scottish Hall…very clever : >)
      Keep posting your efforts…you are an inspiration.
      Stay tuned. Diane in SoCal

    • #7985
      ulla_petersen
      Participant

      Hi Diane!

      I’m so happy that you found this inspiring! Indeed, that’s the best compliment you can give me! 🙂
      You are so lucky to live in a place where there are workshops with Alasdair Fraser! Even though Scottish folk music is greatly appreciated here in Denmark, there are no Scottish fiddle workshops. Scottish country dance is quite popular, and so is the great highland bagpipe; we have about a dozen pipe bands in the country, which is quite nice for a country of 5.7 million people, I think, but I haven’t found a single teacher who teaches Scottish fiddle, so I was very happy when I found this website.

      The great highland bagpipe uses the notes G A B C# D E F# G A (actually, they play about a semitone higher, as they don’t use the concert pitch of 442 Hz) , with A in the drones, which gives us a mixolydian scale on A, which is very much like the major scale, only the seventh degree is a semitone lower than the major scale’s seventh degree. With D as tonic, the mixolydian scale tones are D E F# G A B C D, i.e. only 1 sharp on F, as opposed to D major’s 2 sharps on F and C.
      The low third and sixth that I refer to in bagpipe intonation (a kind of “just intonation”, which is a tuning system) mean that the third and sixth degree of the bagpipe’s scale are a little bit lower than they would be if equal temperament was used. Also, the bagpipe has pure intervals from the tonic to the fourth and fifth tones (relationships in frequencies of 4:3 and 3:2, respectively) which make them sound very sweet and pure in comparison with the equal temperament fourths and fifths, which are a little bit smaller, and so actually a little bit false.

      It sound like you have a very good viola; I would love to hear it! And “Hector the Hero” is a really fine tune for viola.

      Using the links below, you should be able to download the sheet music from my DropBox; I have also made backing tracks for you; in case you would like to try bagpipe intonation, there is a bagpipe intonation backing track without the melody (here you can easily hear how the bagpipes just intonation is different from equal temperament; some of the harmonies built on this scale sound very different from equal temperament), and also one with the melody (electronic viola generated by my digital audio workstation; not beatiful, but absolutely correct pitch), in case you need help with the intonation.

      If you prefer the equal tempered version, there is a backing track without melody and another one with the electronic viola playing the melody.

      I hope that you will have fun with this! And I look very much forward to hearing you play 🙂

      Best regards,
      Ulla

      Sheet music for viola and harp (just in case you know a harp player 🙂 )
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5gi76swdckeaqg/Hector_the_Hero_viola_and_harp_GHB_scale.pdf?dl=0

      GBH intonation, harp only backing track:
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ksbxk3sbdrllx4/Hector_the_Hero_viola_backing_GHB_intonation.mp3?dl=0

      GHB intonation, electronic viola and harp:
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/eetx4hjodxxdufj/Hector_the_Hero_viola_and_backing_GHB_intonation.mp3?dl=0

      Equal temperament harp only backing track:
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/zrol78fv0kitmk2/Hector_the_Hero_viola_backing_equal_temperament.mp3?dl=0

      Equal temperament, electronic viola and harp:
      https://www.dropbox.com/s/scj0nqmz3ao27ru/Hector_the_Hero_viola_and_backing_equal_temperament.mp3?dl=0

      • This reply was modified 8 years, 6 months ago by ulla_petersen.
      • #7993
        DianeG
        Participant

        OMGOSH…Thanks Ulla…you out did yourself here. I really appreciate all that you gave me here. I did download the sheet music you posted and will give it a try on Monday when I have some free time. I have a lesson with my viola teacher tomorrow and will ask her some of these things…I know a little bit about just intonation and equal temperament. I was not able to practice it today as I was working on orchestral stuff that I need help with from my teacher…she only comes twice a month…: >) I’m playing in a beginning strings ensemble with the viola…I just picked it up this past October and I’m loving the viola and its voice.
        Thanks again for sharing…wish you lived in SoCal. BTW, I’m 1/2 Swede on my Dad’s side…he was born in Varberg and came to the USA when he was 6 and grew up in Rhode Island. Small world we live in in many ways.
        Stay tuned. Diane in SoCal

    • #7988
      Casey Willis
      Keymaster

      This is really cool, Ulla. Very nice!! Thanks much for posting. I might have to create a new thread for members to post their recordings so other folks can hear progress. Keep up the great work!

      C

    • #7989
      Roland White
      Moderator

      Hi Ulla, Very nicely played, thanks for posting and you will be inspiring a lot of us to improve and measure our progress. Beautiful job and thank you for posting. Best wishes with your continuing progress. Roland Moderator

    • #7998
      ulla_petersen
      Participant

      Gotta help a fellow viola player 🙂 Actually, it was no great trouble since I already had everything in the computer.

      And thanks for all the encouraging words; I’ll keep playing and posting!

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